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Do you think Australia should stop Muslim migration for now?
POLL RESULTS SO FAR:
Number of Responses and response ratio:
Yes
8085
81%
No
1916
19%
Totals 10001 responses and 100%
HAVE YOUR SAY IN THIS POLL: Australian media personality Sonia Kruger has called for Australia to stop taking in Muslim migrants.
Do you think that Australia should stop Muslim migration for now?
YES OR NO (Click to answer)
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Friday, 22 July 2016No refusing of ANY political group or membership of ANY group? Wow, big call. ISIS is a group, communist Russia is a political group with some more than dangerous ideas. Human rights also includes the safety and values of Australian citizens, we should decide how our future goes, not some cranky United Nations officials who do not live in the real world. Migration to Australia is a privilege to be earned by migrants and approved by us, it is not just there as fairy floss to be given to all.
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Monday, 18 July 2016
Thanks
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Monday, 18 July 2016
Thanks for standing up to true blue values.
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Monday, 18 July 2016
We are shocked to see the results of the poll. If you complete the poll you will see the live tracking results. Scary.
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Wednesday, 20 July 2016
What's scary about it, that fact that you are totally out of touch with public opinion
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Monday, 18 July 2016
Yes.
We need to clean up the clientele coming in.
it is clear that in france, where immigration rules are more slacker that it has caused some problems. We need to put a blanket ban on people coming from, indo, syria, iraq, egypt, iran and any islam affiliated countries.
they are a XXXXXX (edited out by moderator), they do not respect aussie values, they only adhere to sharia law, they demand to be treated differently.
this country is alrdy on the brink of a civil war, they dont even respect the value of women!
what type of religion is this! -
Monday, 18 July 2016
so what is your take on 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th generation Muslim Australians, or even Australians of non-Muslim descent who decided to adopt Islam?
Make them wear a badge and walk in the gutters? intern them in ghettos? or strip them of citizenship and put them on a boat to nowhere?
Appalling ... -
Tuesday, 19 July 2016
2nd or 3rd generation people are living here already, im not to sure what your trying to get at.
THIS IS ABOUT IMMIGRATION, NOT ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING HERE ALREADY -
Monday, 18 July 2016I guess Sonya Kruger is entitled to her opinion but what I would like to know is exactly what is the objection to Muslim immigration.
Is it the religion per se..perhaps it is the fact that Sunni extremists seem to be a problem.
Is there a belief that Muslim immigration is going to lead to the imposition of sharia law in Australia?
Do we need a royal commission on Islam as apparently suggested by Pauline Hanson.
There are plenty of views out there but not all of those views are well informed, some of them are just bat sh*t crazy.
I want to live in a free and democratic society where people are not judged on their suitability to migrate based on something as hazy as their religious belief.
If that is where Australia is headed then why not prohibit atheists, or any non believers in a monotheistic god. What about Hindus and their pantheon of gods? What precisely is the problem?
Is this some call to arms?
I think before we leap to any conclusions we should all view what she said.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/television-personality-sonia-kruger-calls-for-australia-to-ban-muslims/news-story/864b9941d5636e715e357ee6597df9da
As far as I can determine the main thrust of her concerns related to a fear that the presence of Muslims in the community posed a risk to public safety.
In light of what transpired in Nice, she may honestly believe that a stop to Muslim migration will stop terrorism.
Is that a bit like saying that a stop to the migration of catholic priests will stop assaults upon minors?
My personal view is that the vast majority of people who want to migrate to Australia want to come here and contribute to a better Australia. There are plenty of successful, hard working , law abiding Muslims who just want to get on with their lives, who love their children and just want the quiet life.
I think that to label people as a threat to public safety because of their religion is frankly just a bit silly. After all, I think it would be fair to say that the majority of people in prison are Christians.
I really don't know but I question the worth of an opinion expressed by a B list minor celebrity on a remote island well away from the battlefields of Syria, Afghanistan etc..sure, she can be scared but I think that her fear is a direct result of a lack of leadership by the politicians who are in Canberra who claim to speak for the "silent majority". Politicians are driven by trying to identify what issues have mass appeal.
Look carefully at those politicians who espouse views about sharia law, the halalification of Australia, etc...their credentials are in the main, populist.
They may speak for their supporters but they don't speak for me.
I have heard the term "Christian Taliban" as a group who seek to vilify all non Christians and who are intent on dominating the far right political agenda. They are as well informed as the other side. They have an agenda which is about power and influence, in some respects they are as bad, if not worse than the crackpot right, for example the sovereign citizen movement.
All are entitled to their view but if they are just plain foolish then i guess we put those views to one side and just move on.
The next thing we will hear will be the requirement for security and deep background checks on a regular basis for the holders of truck licences.
Of course this is precisely the response and over reaction that drives the agents of terrorism. They want the publicity, they want the fear, they want people to not feel safe as it undermines the democratic process. The media gives these people oxygen, in the meantime the radicals be they Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or whatever preach their theology of hate.
As a Christian I simply ask the question ...What would Jesus do?
What will you do? -
Wednesday, 26 April 2017
when there is more of them thqn us and christianity is replacd by their religon what will you do then?
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Wednesday, 14 December 2016
You think they are so accomodating a religion of peace, if you truely believe this test it. Openly denouce terrorist groups, draw a carton of mohammed, walk though muslima areas carring a cross and the bible. Do you agree with under age marriages; should sharia law be accpeted in Australia to accomodate Mulsim communities. Are you just submissive in your beliefs, or do you have some resolve and a backbone about you.
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Wednesday, 20 July 2016
Well said Sir! Well informed and true analysis of the current scenario. Bless you Christopher!
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Monday, 18 July 2016
Good points Ahmad. Sonia Kruger has created more problems.
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Tuesday, 19 July 2016
Responding to Christopher's post:
1. You guess SK is entitled to her opinion. She is. You don't need to guess.
2. Sharia Law is already operating in Australia and the police spend time trying to prevent and halt it from being implemented more broadly. Do your research. It's on the rise.
3. Religious belief is not necessarily hazy as you describe. Ritualistic Satanists and KKK aren't hazy beliefs. Some beliefs preach and carry out hatred. For example the concept of Islamic 'jihad' bombers, throat slitters and suiciders. That is not hazy. People who don't want that in Australia aren't bat sh** crazy like you suggest.
4. Not all Muslims are terrorists but statistically, in the last 5 years the vast majority of terrorists internationally and home-grown, are Muslims. Like it or hate it that is a fact.
5. It is the ideology within the Muslim religion, the extremes of the religion, that advocates the Sharia Law and the struggle against 'non-believers' that is not ok.
6. Why do you label people as crazy and crackpot when their views differ from yours? Must you put people down in order to express your view?
7. When you say 'we put those views to one side' it is as if you have a team of people supporting your own view. Speak for yourself. There is no 'we'.
8. Of course politician's views are populist. They represent their constituents and what they want, not their own personal interests.
9. The 'Christian Taliban' seek to oppose the migration of Muslims to Australia. That is their right and their opinion. Again, like it or hate it they exist. Just like the ALA exist as a political Party, and stand for similar ideals.
10. What would Jesus do? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/what-would-jesus-do-about_1_b_847558.html
11. Read these Christopher:
In the following hadith we discover that Muhammad was seriously deranged and not merciful at all.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4356:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
Some people raided the camels of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), drove them off, and apostatised. They killed the herdsman of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was a believer. He (the Prophet) sent (people) in pursuit of them and they were caught. He had their hands and feet cut off, and their eyes put out. The verse regarding fighting against Allah and His Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was then revealed. These were the people about whom Anas ibn Malik informed al-Hajjaj when he asked him.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4357:
Narrated AbuzZinad:
When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion."
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4359:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land... most merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment which he deserves. (Sunan Abu Dawud book 38. Number 4356, 4357, 4359)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590:
Narrated Anas:
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.
Not only were these men tortured but some traditions say that they were refused water and left to die slow and mutilated. The account states: "I saw one of them licking the earth with his tongue till he died." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 589) -
Tuesday, 19 July 2016
You are a moron mate
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Wednesday, 14 December 2016
So why is he a moron make your point and prove it.
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Tuesday, 19 July 2016
Just read what I said.
If you could resist the temptation to add in stuff or project, I am not talking about you or your views this is my opinion.
You have your opinion, you are entitled to it.
We may not agree but that is the way of the world. -
Tuesday, 19 July 2016
The question and statements about banning muslim immigration are missing the point.
Muslims vary in their views from the highly moderate 'secular' to the extremist throat slitters. Also, the world views held by a muslim at any one point in time (on this spectrum of moderate to extremist) can change, either with experiences, learning or socialisation, as can the position adopted by second and third generation muslim Australians, that may be in direct opposition to their parents.
What should be banned therefore are the ideologies and interpretations of Islam that result in radicalisation or engender sympathies for extremists amongst moderates (who may believe that the radicals are basically standing up for them).
Outlawing sharia law is a good start, but more effective granular solutions should involve linking visa and citizenship outcomes to preachers and followers alike who can demonstrate adherence to a brand of Islam that teaches tolerance, integration and acceptance of values and beliefs that are quite different from ones own. Although this risks charges of apostacy by fundamentalist elements in the community.
One other effective measure would be to link PIC 4020 with signed Australian values statement. It is after all a legal document, requiring applicants to truthfully sign.
In this way, those muslims who wish to embrace the Australian way of life and reject completely the notion of sharia law for this country will not face discrimination.· Migration Alliance likes this comment. -
Wednesday, 20 July 2016
YES
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No, I believe most categorically that Australia should not consider (and should not consider for a single second) refusing migration to any persons based on religion (Muslim or otherwise), race, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular group. Further, no country should be considering such a step. To do so would be contrary to every principle of basic human rights that we have come to appreciate and value since the end of World War II. And in my opinion, such a "ban" is not only utterly wrong, it would do absolutely nothing to prevent terrorism - has no one noticed that many of the most horrendous incidents (Nice, Orlando) were carried out by citizens of the countries where the terrorist acts were carried out? No, religious litmus tests, prejudice, bigotry and intolerance have no place in Australia's laws. Ever. We do not need to adopt the fascistic mentality of a con man like Donald Trump, we should reject his mindless, ignorant "solutions" for what they are - garbage.