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ACS considering 1 year post-qualification (Aus.) work experience
Migration Alliance has received communication from registered migration agent Karl Konrad this morning as follows:
Australian Computer Society (ACS) admits 1 year work experience requirement is being considered as a compulsory requirement for international students in Australia before they can apply for permanent residency.
Disaster Looms for International IT Students
The Australian Computer Society's Professional Assessment Manager, Berny Martinez, confirmed today that a 1 year work experience employment option after an Australian Bachelor IT degree is being considered as a requirement for international students to obtain the skill assessment for permanent residency.
It is also confirmed that the ACS is now moving to use a 2 stage assessment process, one being for the Temporary Graduate - 485 skills assessment and the next being a Graduate Assessment - for permanent residency. This will effectively dash the hopes of thousands if international students study IT in Australia.
In an email to IMMIGRATION NEWS, Mr. Martinez stated "Currently, our Graduate result letters do not specify it is a Temporary Graduate - 485 skills assessment. This is a straight forward change to ensure applicants are submitting the correct skills assessment to DIBP."
"The change will involve a name change of the application type and a statement in the ACS result letter outlining it is a Temporary Graduate - 485 skills assessment. The criteria will remain the same."
Hmmmm.
The skill assessments now issued by the ACS are not for the sole purpose of the Graduate 485 visa and have never been for the sole purpose of the Graduate 485 visa. They are simply skill assessments for migration purposes, pure and simple. It is an assessment letter which has been used for years for many visa purposes both permanent and temporary applications.
To try and now say it is really for the Graduate visa only is just gobbledygook.
Since the current skill assessment for international students is really on for the 485 visa purpose, the ACS is justifying their new Graduate Skills Assessment. As Mr. Martinez explains;
"The Graduate Skills Assessment is a different matter. We are looking at the best way to help applicants meet their permanent residency skills assessment requirements as post graduates.
We understand the real world challenges graduates face in finding employment in their first year after graduation and how this will affect their chances of meeting permanent skills assessment requirements.
We hope to release the final criteria for the Graduate Skills Assessment by the end of this week. We are considering a 1 year employment option after the completion of an Australian Bachelor degree and an alternative option of the completion of an ACS Professional Year Program after the completion of an Australian Bachelor degree.
These 2 options will give applicants 2 avenues to help them meet the permanent skills assessment requirements."
So it looks like we are going to be right after all. A second skill assessment layer which of course must be harder than the first level otherwise one cannot justify a two stage process. While of course the official line is that the ACS have not decided on the final announcement yet, I wouldn't bet on the fact that the one year work experience component won't be a requirement.
In my opinion we will find it will be just as we predicted. Students will be offered the carrot of the mighty Professional Year Program (PYP). Of course the PYP will be a fine substitute for real life one year of work experience, won't it? Of course it has nothing to do to the probable 200% increase enrollments into the ACS administered PYP programs, does it?
"Of course not" I hear you scream out.
Let's see what happens when the ACS announce their official policy sometime this week.
The ACS lets the cat out of the bag, a little early
It appears the News Update page on the ACS web site that appeared on the 16th October about the new two stage assessment criteria, should not have been made available to the public. According to Thomas Shanahan the Communications Executive of the ACS;
"I also want to make it clear that we are not being deceptive or hiding information. It is correct that some information was posted in error, as it was in draft and under review. That information was removed to avoid any confusion and procedures have been strengthened to ensure this error does not occur again."
Yes we at IMMIGRATION NEWS are happy to stand corrected that the sudden change on the ACS web site was just an extraordinary coincidence and had nothing to do with our article we printed in Volume 267 on Friday the 18th. Amen.
Migration Alliance would like to thank Karl Konrad for his contributions to these blogs.
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Tuesday, 22 October 2013It is a utter disgrace and discriminatory practice that a professional course delivered by Australian universities to deem that the end result of the same course for Australian Students and Foreign students would produce two different outcomes. It is a scam by the Australian universities and the Australian government. Likewise the same goes for IELTS testing for graduate students. One cannot deny Australia has not shed its illusory notion of language and cultural superiority.
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Wednesday, 23 October 2013
The ACS has released a response to claims made by the Australian Immigration Law Service newsletter.
http://www.acs.org.au/news-and-media/news-and-media-releases/2013/response-to-australian-immigration-law-service-newsletter -
Wednesday, 23 October 2013
I have gained the impression from the ACS that this possible change to a work experience requirement for fresh Australian graduates to obtain a skill assessment for permanent residency has been largely driven by DIBP. This is something we will be looking into in some depth later by making various FOI requests to the DIBP.
We have voiced our concerns to the ACS that the implementation of a work experience requirement from the 28th October would be unjust to those students currently studying in Australia and that a transition period would be appropriate. We believe that the ACS may be considering this possibility.
The good thing about bringing this into the public arena now is that a healthy debate should take place before any official announcement by the ACS takes place regarding any possible future changes.
We are sure the ACS has received the message that student are very upset about what may occur and I agree with a comment that the timing during the exam period is of very poor taste.
The ACS syas that the information regarding the change was released by accident. Of course this is impossible to verify. All I can say is that I have never experienced such an accidental release of information from any skill assessing authority since the introduction of such bodies authorised to provide migration assessments.
It is possible despite their claims that the release of information was not accidental and the fact that they allowed it to be out in there in the public domain for two whole days speaks volumes in itself. Perhaps a heated debate is what they wanted so they can turn around to DIBP later and explain they modified their intentions due to the backlash of students.
There is no doubt that phone will be ringing hot at the ACS now, but they only have themselves to blame. At IMMIGRATION NEWS we only came to a logical conclusion based upon the release and then it has been confirmed by the ACS themselves.
What the end result of all of this is, we shall have to wait and see but I am hoping some concession will be made for students. We are proud to have been the first to raise this issue in the public forum so students can be warned of what may lay ahead.
We need to point out to the ACS and to get their facts straight before they make further incorrect public comments. AUstralian Immigration Law Services (AILS) which I am the Managing Director does not publish IMMIGRATION NEWS. IMMIGRATION NEWS Pty Ltd is it's own company in its own right. Yes, I am the editor of IMMIGRATION NEWS but AILS is simply a sponsor of it.
Before our article I made a call to the ACS main telephone number and asked to speak to someone for a media comment on the information they released. They checked and was told me no one was available and someone would call me back. They never did.
So much for the accuracy again of what they publish and what they are trying to infer.
As for their threat of reporting me to the OMARA, go for it guys. At one time I had a whole police force unhappy with me so I'm kinda used to the whole oppression threats against freedom of speech.
Karl Konrad
Editor IMMIGRATION NEWS &
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Wednesday, 23 October 2013
Further to our statement regarding the comments made by Mr Konrad, we feel it is important that the record is set straight.
The ACS Media Contact, being myself, is available at the following address http://www.acs.org.au/news-and-media/media-contacts
As we believe in an open dialogue with our members and the public, anyone can contact the ACS by phone, email, Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter, YouTube or Google+.
No request for comment on this matter was received from Mr Konrad through any of these channels. In fact, the ACS contacted Mr Konrad to correct his claims.
Regarding Immigration News, the publication is registered at the same address as Australian Immigration Law Services, sent from the email on file for Australian Immigration Law Services, with back editions available from the Australian Immigration Law Services website.
If students have concerns or queries, we encourage them to utilise one of the many contact methods to get in touch with the ACS and ask questions. As an Assessing Authority, we are happy and willing to provide information, and discuss individual cases with authorised representatives. We believe that the best way to get the right information is to come straight to the source - the ACS.
Mr Konrad's service to the Victoria Police has been well reported, and he should be lauded for his actions to promote integrity. All we ask is that he refrain from supposition that can cause undue fear in the community.
Thomas Shanahan
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Wednesday, 23 October 2013
Another migration agent preying off people's fears. How surprising. "Disaster looms" ..indeed!
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Wednesday, 23 October 2013
Another migration agent preying off people's fears. How surprising. "Disaster looms" ..indeed!
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Wednesday, 23 October 2013
Another migration agent preying off people's fears. How surprising. "Disaster looms" ..indeed!
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Friday, 25 October 2013
Well...on 14 June 1013 ACS effectively killed off the majority of offshore IT professionals trying to apply for points tested visas, and now they finish the job with the onshore IT graduates. These changes have been implemented with the aura of "minor modifications, yet they do indeed have quite a devastating effect. I for one surely tell nowadays to university qualified IT professionals with 5+ years work experience who would have been the top crop of independent migrants just 6 months ago that I'm sorry, I cannot help you, you do have enough points as your work experience has just been downgraded to peanuts. For the casual observer it would appear that ACS does not want too many IT professionals immigrating either from onshore or offshore, but I would love to be contradicted on this assumption.
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Thursday, 16 January 2014
Well I am messed up thanks to ACS, Although I was supposed to complete my course I failed a subject. So another sem for me. Now I have paid my fees at Swinburne in excess of 36k have spend almost 36k on 2 years of minimum lifestyle living expenses. Now Acs wants me to spend 12k fees +18k living expenses for english speaking and learning about australian culture. To my knowledge I am a well educated english ( first language)speaking ielts bank 7.5 student. Why am I supposed to exhaust myself for time and money just because I failed a subject? Also Till last month I had the skills for migration and now I supposedly dont. If border protection wants to manipulate the intake of jobs to immigrants they are already doing it through skill select. When does ACS start becoming their agent and try and rip me off just to fill the coffers for PYP host organizations. Also the 1 year work experience option on a 485 visa is absurd when all students could do is find themselves a cash in hand casual job. I know of streets and corners where international students are labour slaved. ACS and immigration common are killing their golden egg laying goose. The students come to australia for prospects. Without them I see a common sense decline...
PS: Avg upper middle class indian household income 24k. Government bank sanctioned education loan amount 30k[ using collateral ]. Jobs in australia: most of them cash in hand jobs. If asian, indian, chinese, stores and restaurants are audited cash in hand is prevailant in my opinion. Brands such as feway oles kart suway lfc cdonalds and many more who have franchise owners are cooking their books to accomodate below 21 labour working extra hours than their visa permits.
The shit that is going around with immigration Acs and casual job markets is leaving the students burned if anyone is listening.
The international labour being welcomed in australia as residents, trust me since i met a few bad apples end up going on centrelink causing pain to the australian economy.
But who cares: Acs is getting paid, immigration is getting paid, universities are getting paid, businesses is getting to exploit labour. And at the end the international student who is coughing blood does not have a voice.
have fun till the ride lasts
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Thursday, 23 May 2019
So true......
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Thursday, 06 November 2014
Quite simple really - do the australian IT degrees which have a 1 year work experience component like RMIT or UTS.
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Wednesday, 12 July 2017
Hi everyone..I have recently completed Maters of IT from Federation University Australia. I got an offer of tutoring a subject in the university. So will it be considered as a work experience? Or does it always have to be an industry job? Any help would be appreciated.
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Tuesday, 14 November 2017
Is professional year is compulsory for IT Students?
Immigration blog
It would seem that ACS does not have any commitment to [and posssibly contempt for] the educational institutions that provide courses to overseas students and are intent on aligning [maligning!] its profession with that of the flawed methodology of the accountancy profession. This system seems to be based on value-adding to sale of skills assessments and not on what is fair and reasonable in the circumstances. Do these bodies believe credence is gained by imposing further demands upon those who have completed levels of qualification as high and more likely higher than most who make these decisions. How many current IT professionals actually achieved the proposed level of experience before entering the profession? Same with accountants.
It is patently obvious to any fair and reasonable observer that the skills assessment authorities are intent in getting maximum profits from their elite positions and pay little or no consideration to those who have chosen the respective profession as a career path. I understand [though do not condone] the rigid penchant for the Accountancy profession to place profit above all other motivation but ACS should surely be more circumspect!